Talk:Bastila Shan

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Article milestones Date Process Result 10 October 2006 Featured article candidate Success 23 February 2007 Featured article
Current status: Featured article

Contents 1 Needs NPOV 2 Better quote 3 Birth date? 4 Star Forge 5 Image 6 Where do hear these things? 7 Another ending, with Bastila's death 8 Bastila on Korriban 9 The Jedi Trained by the Exile 10 Three Images 11 KotOR II? 12 Time for an Image change? 12.1 Number 1 12.2 Number 2 12.3 Number 3 12.4 Number 4 12.5 Promo 12.6 Comments 13 Three copyvio paragraphs 14 Ultimate Quote Supply 15 Refs in section titles 16 Yellow Lightsaber 17 Jedi Knight? 18 Eyes 19 Bastila was not the leader of the strike team 20 Is Bastila also a Jedi Healer? 21 Bastila and the Endar Spire ambush 22 Jedi Knight, Rnd. 2 23 Image of Bastila vs. Darth Revan 24 Link 25 Related 26 Helrae?

[edit] Needs NPOV

This article is rife with statements in need of an NPOV cleansing. I'm unfamiliar with most of the early Jedi/Sith topics, so someone else with more appropriate credentials should take a look at it. --SparqMan 23:03, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Better quote

One of:

The choice is up to you. - Sikon [Talk] 15:28, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)

• I like the last one. But then, I think Jolee's is more appropriate. --Master Starkeiller 21:36, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Where does she say that last one? —Unsigned comment by 212.182.194.29 (talk • contribs).

• I don't know, but it's in dialog.tlk. Maybe when Bastila is freed on Taris and the player treats her as a slave? - Sikon [Talk] 14:31, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
• Yeah, you free her and if you say she ows you, she gives that answer. --Master Starkeiller 22:50, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
• I say Vrook's personally, and btw, I think having two quotes on the front is unnecessary and makes it look cluttered --LandoSystem1138 01:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
• What was that quote from Carth about Bastila and why she's so important to the Republic? That seems more appropriate. - lalala_la
• I vote for Vrook. Starwarsrulez 02:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
• I vote for Belaya! Lord Hammu
• I vote for the one! Darthan the destroyer 21:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
• Vrook's is best. Israi 17:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Birth date?

Where the heck does Bastila's birth date come from? As far as I know, it is not mentioned in any source. As such, it is pure conjecture and should be removed both from this article and the timeline.--Sentry 00:42, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

• Its not sepcified anywhere, however In my primagames manual, its says "Bastila gifted at a young age fought with Revan..at the age of 18." or something like that. I asked at the Bioware forums a designer confirmed she is 18 soon to be 19. I remember a line in KOTOR when Mission says "Your not much older than me Miss High an Mighty" and since Mission is 14, fir this statement to speak truth Bastila would have to be around 18/19 not 26, right?

Bastilashanweb 19:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• Where exactly does it state it? I have the Prima Games KotOR guide, and it doesn't say anything about Bastila's age - Kwenn 19:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Remember that: 1) Bastila is a romantic interest for the PC, like Carth, who is 38; 2) she was already a Jedi in 3,963 BBY and tried to persuade other Jedi to obey the Council and not to join the Mandalorian Wars; however, 3) she's still a Padawan in K1, although on the verge of knighting. I would say early 20s. - Sikon [Talk] 06:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Oh its ok now one of the writers at Bioware confirmed she is 19 going on 20. Thats what I added on my site.

Bastilashanweb 20:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

No, Bastila's birth date IS mentioned in a source; this one right here. http://www.old-republic.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2&Itemid=49 On that site, it says she was born in 3979 BBY, which means she would be 22 in KOTOR.--Promus Kaa 22:58, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

• I'm afraid that www.old-republic.com is not an official source.–Sentry^Talk 23:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Blast. She's still 22 as far as I'm concerned!! :( --Promus Kaa^{(Rebel Merchant)}

• I think she's 26 and this is MY OPINION ONLY. She was a Padawan in K.O.T.O.R., but she also mentions in game that she was given to the Jedi at an early age. If I remember correctly Ki-Adi-Mundi was given to the Jedi at 4 years old, so it is possible that she was born in 3,982 B.B.Y., but just did not join the Jedi until 3,978 B.B.Y.--Jedi Kasra 21:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
• I think shes about 22. So hah! Not 18/19. Thats too young. Darthan the destroyer 21:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

• According to a comment by Chris Avellone a, developer of the first game, she was between 19-23.

[edit] Star Forge

As I recall, the council sent Revan and co. out to find something, but it definately wasn't the Star Forge, per se. I think it was more like, they were looking for the thing that they thought had turned Revan to the dark side. I'm not entirely sure about what exactly the mission was, which is why I'm leaving it alone, but I'm pretty sure they didn't know about the Forge as such until Rataka Prime.

• The original purpose of providing Revan with a new identity was to identify the source of the Sith's massive fleet. That source turned out to be the Star Forge. After the player explores the Dantooine ruins, the Enclave Council learns that something called the Star Forge exists and that Revan and Malak were searching for it. Sooo, the quest WAS to find the Star Forge.--Sentry 11:09, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I know that, but I don't think they knew it was the Star Forge when they went looking for it. At least, they didn't know the name "Star Forge" which the article seems to suggest they did.--Tulkas Mirith 21:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
    • They knew the name. They didn't know what it was though. Remember the Guardian Droid on Dantooine. Who mentions the Builders greatest creation, the Star Forge. --Redemption 21:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Is that so. Well, I feel like kind of an idiot. Been a bit since I've played it, so I must have formed an incorrect memory or something. I could've sworn they didn't get the name "Star Forge", but I must be wrong.--Tulkas Mirith 00:32, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image

What's the source for the image? Why was it replaced? I liked the old one better. - Sikon [Talk] 11:00, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where do hear these things?

Where and when does Bastila say her surname and where she is from, Talravin?

Master Nikolce 08:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

• The only time I can actually recall of Bastilas surname said is when she is reporting to Admiral Dodonna in the DS version (This is Bastila Shan...) as for her homeplanet, she says in her dlg that she was from Talravin. --Redemption 03:45, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Talravin is in her databank entry, and she also says the last name on Taris if you try to tell her that you "own" her after she gets freed from the Vulkars. - Sikon [Talk] 07:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

That and it is printed EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING FOR HER! It was Shan on the KOTORI Website MONTHS before the release (I know, I visited there almost every day.) No Sig. Not Registered.

• • The guy in the starship, Trask or whatever says her name. Darthan the destroyer 01:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Another ending, with Bastila's death

When I played as a lightside female and defeated darkside Bastila I killed her. The game wouldn't let me do otherwise. When she insisted that I kill her I had no option to refuse so I cut her head off. Shouldn't this alternate ending be mentioned too? Vruki Salet 18:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

• You can't cut her head off.... - Kwenn 18:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

  OK maybe you're right in a sense - it was off-camera, but it was strongly implied. In a cut-scene she knelt down and I raised my saber with what looked like the obvious intention to cut her head off. It wasn't shown but what happened was pretty clear. The saber was swung and she was dead, gone, no longer a character in the game. I guess I could have cut her some other way but it didn't look like that.

• You actually CAN redeem her as female or fail to redeem her playing male. It's just more difficult. The way the game dialogue tree is set up is that you have to earn 50 "points" in the conversation in order for her to not commit suicide by saber duel. Certain options add or subtract points from the total. -Allronix

It's a bit similar to what happened to Count Dooku.--Malak 08:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

It can be mentioned in the article, but it should be noted that the canon way is to redeem her, and this is just an extra.Starwarsrulez 22:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bastila on Korriban

I go to Korriban before getting picked up by the Leviathan (therefore, before I open the fourth Star Map). Docked there, the party selection screen disallows me from selecting Bastila. She apparently refuses to set foot on the Sith world.

I try to talk to Bastila about Korriban but no relevant dialog choices show up. What's the story behind this? --68.102.193.78 02:20, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

• You probably have missed a cutscene where Bastila explains this. She is afraid that the Sith will recognize her, so she decides to stay on the ship. (Obviously the Sith on Manaan are too dumb to recognize Bastila — after all, those on Taris didn't, despite having been specifically ordered to seek her — and the Sith on Korriban will never choose to inspect the Ebon Hawk seeking, for example, illegal cargo. </sarcasm>) - Sikon [Talk] 02:55, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, of course they wouldn't! They have their Sithly fingers into the illegal stuff trade, why would they offend their suppliers? Varas Halcyon 14:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

• BTW, that decision was apparantly made late in production, because there are some GREAT lines out of Bastila that were written for Korriban. A nifty little mod allows you to bring her along on the planet to catch the goodies. - Allronix

[edit] The Jedi Trained by the Exile

The Exile didn't neccessarily train any Jedi. You have the option to (which I found pretty stupid to be honest, you can't learn that sort of skill that fast unless you're a Skywalker) - but you don't have to. So I don't see how this can be considered to be a part of the continuity until it's clarified by a later game/novel/comic/sourcebook or something. So I ask, why are they mentioned in the article when they might not even be Jedi as far as continuity is concerned? (Ulicus 22:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC))

• Your point being? Why post it here? - Sikon [Talk] 04:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I have *no* idea. Trust me, finding this really weirded me out. I tend to discuss stuff on talk pages all at once, so maybe I pasted it into the wrong window or something... either that or someone set me up! Duhn duhn duuhhhhhnnn!(Ulicus 21:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Three Images

I've noticed they are three Bastila Images.

• 1.The cover of the box.(Which doesen't even look like Bastila.}

• 2.The ingame Bastila.

• 3.The image on some comics,the manual,and other sources.

Why is there three?

--Malak 08:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

• I counted seven. ;) - Sikon [Talk] 08:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about? there are about 7 Bastilla pictures not 3.--Darth Malice 18:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KotOR II?

There isn't anything about her from after the Star Forge. There was some mention of her in the second gameRevan's Bane 19:47, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• What do you mean? In the game or in the article? -- I need a name (Complain here) 19:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  • After playing through KotOR II again (for about the fourth time in a month), I played as a male Jedi Sentinel, became a Sith Assassin, and set Revan to male, I finished the Battle of Telos and went to talk to Carth. He went through his whole thing of "tell Revan I'm following his orders", and then Bastila came out, asking Carth if the Exile knew anything of Revan's whereabouts. Carth replied "No, but after finally meeting the exile, I'm convinced there are worse things in the galaxy to lose." Since I played as a Sith, I know it's not canon with the storyline, but it should at least be mentioned.--Atlas503 13:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
    • He says that if you put Revan as lightsided(It does not matter if you set Revan as male or female , just one sentence is different), so that makes it canon. It doesn't matter if you are jedi, sith, or neither it just matters what Revan is to make him talk to you, though he does not talk to you if Revan is set to darksided.Starwarsrulez 22:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Time for an Image change?

Been waiting to do this for a while now and I finally got some shots. The main image...though it is promotional...it's just not that great of quality. Looks very odd. So, I know I'm going aganist my own protocol but perhaps she'd be better off with a new in-game photo

• GASP from crowd*

So, I took Bastila out on a Dantooine Photo Shoot and selected the best ones (stuck the promo in if you want that to stay anyway). --Redemption^Talk 23:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Number 1	Number 2	Number 3	Number 4
Bastila ss.jpg Promo

[edit] Number 1

[edit] Number 2

1. Maclimes Zero ^(talk) 23:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
2. I need a name (Complain here) 15:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
3. Starwarsrulez 22:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
4. Any of the new ones are fine by me - QuentinGeorge 10:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Number 3

[edit] Number 4

[edit] Promo

• I looked at the article and couldn't believe that this image wasn't in there at all, much less as the main image. It's the quintessential Bastila image IMO... she's holding a lightsaber, it's a full-body shot that shows her unique outfit, and it's an official image rather than just some screenshot. The other images give me the impression that she's just another random minor character in the game, which obviously she's not. Sarendipity (Talk to me) 06:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

• Naturally, the promo must stay in the article somewhere. Maclimes Zero ^(talk) 23:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Not really. There is already a promotional Bastila image in. (two if you count covers) --Redemption^Talk 23:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Hmmmm... Good point. Maclimes Zero ^(talk) 23:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
• So do I win? :D Maclimes Zero ^(talk) 21:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Only if nobody else votes within the next couple of days. --Redemption^Talk 23:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

• As long as the promo stays, I don't care which picture we use as long as we don't use picture 4. Starwarsrulez 22:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Define "stay". In the infobox or article? Lets be frank. It's a pretty crappy quality picture...--Redemption^Talk 22:24, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I just want it to stay in the article and I think it looks cool. Starwarsrulez 22:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
      • But is it best for infobox? That is the question here. --Redemption^Talk 22:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
        • Ok your right it should be changed and deleted.Starwarsrulez 22:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
• Considering there hasn't been any voting, I'm assuming number 2 is our winner. --Redemption^Talk 16:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
• Are we ever going to change the quote, or leave it the same? Starwarsrulez 23:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Three copyvio paragraphs

They've been rewritten now, but we really need to watch out for things like that. There were three paragraphs practically ripped wholesale from the KOTOR site. - Lord Hydronium 07:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ultimate Quote Supply

Tommorow I will (if I have time) upload the collected dialog of Bastila as found in KOTOR. Karohalva 05:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Refs in section titles

Something has to be done about the reference notes that have been put in the section titles. It makes the table of contents look very unprofessional. This to me does not seem something acceptable for a featured article. Here is what it makes the TOC look:

    * 1 Biography
          o 1.1 Early life
          o 1.2 The Jedi Civil War[1]
          o 1.3 A Sith apprentice
          o 1.4 Back on the light side
    * 2 Personality and traits
    * 3 Powers and abilities[1]
    * 4 Behind the scenes
          o 4.1 Original character development
          o 4.2 Possible descendants
          o 4.3 Alternate endings
    * 5 Appearances
    * 6 Sources
    * 7 References

Those "[1]" shouldn't be there, and look bad. --OuroborosCobra 07:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

• {{Ref}} is supposed to remove them, AFAIK. -- I need a name (Complain here) 14:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Well, it isn't. --OuroborosCobra 22:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yellow Lightsaber

Should it be mentioned in the article that she wielded a yellow lightsaber? I think it's noteworthy. Wookiee Jedi 15:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

• And now it is. Cool! Wookiee Jedi 18:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that the article says she replaced the crystal in her lightsaber with a red one when she fell. In the game, after Malak freezes her, the player gets all her pocessions, even her lightsaber. So should it say she got a new saber?Jedi Striker 00:51 24 January 2008 (UTC)

• I think that's more of an oversight in the game (as the gameplayer would most likely complain about losing all the items that Bastila had). In all reality, I would expect that she changed her lightsaber crystal, though it is possible (but however unlikely) that she built a new one. It all depends on how "canon" you interpet the actual gameplay to be. --Brukhar 02:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jedi Knight?

Couldn't Bastila have been made a Jedi Knight sometime on Dantooine while Revan was being re-trained? Because she always claims to want to be made a Master, and Jedi Padawans just don't become Masters.--Jedi Kasra 20:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

• She is a Knight. The New Essential Chronology says so.--Jedi Kasra 16:30, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

→ I think she was just a very advanced Padawan. The Jedi Masters on Dantooine called her 'Padawan Bastila' several times. I speculate that her master could have been killed before she could be knighted. With the war going on, maybe Masters gave her the privlages of a Jedi Knight because she was very strong and she mastered Battle Meditation, even though she was still a Padawan. Andrea Kenobi 03:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Andrea Kenobi

[edit] Eyes

O.K., whoever keeps changing Bastila's eye color from blue to gray stop doing it! If you look at her eyes in game, THEY ARE BLUE!!! UNLESS YOU CAN FIND A SOURCE THAT SAYS OTHERWISE, STOP CHANGING IT!!!!--Jedi Kasra 21:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

• They're gray. As seen here in her skin file - which is indisputable since all the games run on shaders which makes colors seem off. Check your sources next time, kiddo. And turn your caps lock off. You are embarrassing yourself. --Redemption^Talk 03:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bastila was not the leader of the strike team

Nowhere in the game did it ever mention Bastila was leading the strike team. It only mentions her being part of the team. It's unlikey the Jedi would send a padawaan to lead such an important mission. —Unsigned comment by 84.92.165.143 (talk • contribs).

• Talk:Jedi Civil War#"Led by Bastila". -- I need a name (Complain here) 13:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is Bastila also a Jedi Healer?

When Bastila rescues the unconscious Revan using the Force, it is obvious that she is rescuing Revan by means of Force healing, is it not? If so, then it seems odd, from a gameplaying point of view, that Bastila does not have maximum innate Force healing abilites in the game, but they have to be acquired through level-ups. But then again, Bastila is gifted in the Battle Meditation, yet that ability cannot even be acquired as a useable power for the Bastila-NPC...

[edit] Bastila and the Endar Spire ambush

Something that I'd like clarified... in KotOR, Carth tells you that the attack on the Endar Spire went so swiftly because Bastila didn't get a chance to use her Battle Meditation (e.g. when you first land on Taris, his second plot dialogue). However, Bastila tells you that she did use her Battle Meditation to aid the defeners (saving Revan and Carth's lives, even), and indeed was so exhausted from it that she didn't have the strength to defend herself from the Black Vulkars (in the dialogue with Carth about losing her lightsabre). Did she or did she not use her Battle Meditation in that battle? It's possible she was lying to Carth to save face, as she is rather stuffy and arrogant at that point in the game, but on the other hand Carth is only surmising she couldn't use it, and Bastila's explanation fits in with her capture by the Vulkars. So what was she doing during that battle?

Ya, I heard that conversation as well. I think that the Sith attack went by too fast for her to use her battle meditation. She comments as well that the thing the Vulkars put on her to stop her from using the force didn't work. Therefore, she probably could use battle meditation in the latter fight. Darthan the destroyer 13:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jedi Knight, Rnd. 2

I think we have enough evidence thah confirmns that Bastila was a Jedi Knight. It says so in two places, the Saga Edition Core Rulebook says she is, and the book Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force, says she is on pg. 23--Jedi Kasra 19:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

• You mean after the events of KotOR right? Darthan the destroyer 13:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image of Bastila vs. Darth Revan

We should probably add the image on pg. 56 of the Essential Guide to the Force to this article and perhaps Revan's as well. Any thoughts?--Jedi Kasra 19:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

• Images support text, not the other way around. If there isn't any room (and there isn't) don't put it in. --Redemption^(Talk) 05:00, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Link

Check out this link here: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/CotFPreview6\ According to this, Bastila's a Jedi Consular, (lvl. 12) and a Jedi Investigator. (lvl. 5) Hmm... John Jackson Miller really needs to canonize the Jedi Sentinel class.--Jedi Kasra 00:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

• Very odd...that contradicts the game, and Bastila never shows any sign of being a Consular. Drewton 14:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
  • True, but notice also "Female Human Jedi consular 12/Jedi investigator 5 (Jedi sentinel archetype)", with emphasis on the Jedi Sentinel archetype. Additionally, I don't know if WotC playing cards can really be considered an official source of information. But good catch. Hopefully someone will point that out to WotC so they can fix it. --Brukhar 02:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• But the SW roleplaying game is considered canon. But your right, Bastila might have been the first Sentinels. (and last)--Jedi Kasra 09:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Related

Bastilla looks very similar to Serra Keto. Should we put them as related in the article? —Unsigned comment by 98.211.218.179 (talk • contribs).

• No. That's speculation. Drewton ^{(Drewton's Holocron)} 17:53, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Helrae?

Do we have any confirmation that Helrae Bulsar is her official Master? The source in the infobox leads to the Campaing Guide, but its article makes no mention. Quick Google and Databank searches also leave me empty handed, save the one fanon page on the Star Wars Fanon wikia. Her article was deleted twice as fanon, and I don't want to recreate it under the impression its factual and make an arse of myself. // ~mikah~ 02:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

• Sounds like fanon, especially with the author of the fanon article himself adding it to the page. Drewton ^{(Drewton's Holocron)} 02:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)